Lmao I've never heard of a non-murderous prison gang.

Can't believe you decided to reply to one sentence only again - and again we see you have the most stupid argument; "omg AB kill people!" No shit sherlock, you think the Bloods, Crips and La Eme are angels?

Have you ever been to an Aryan Brotherhood potluck Boredpayne? Those guys condemn violence against non-Aryans all the time. Is it their fault that there are extremists out there tarnishing their good name with violence? Pshhhhh...

Originally Posted by Zelda

Around 50% of hate crimes are not due to racial prejudice. So don't analyse that statistic to see who commits the most hate crime against each other. and the statistic is interpretable both ways as you two have demonstrated. I wrote this yesterday.

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The number of hate crimes committed by each race is slightly problematic for measuring amount of racial prejudice within each race because only around 50% of hate crimes are the result of racial prejudices. I think we should focus on which are the subject of most hate crime. I am not sure which percentage to base the proportion on since while there are fewer people to be victims of the crimes in minorities, there are also more potential criminals to victimise them. Furthermore we can't be sure what race the offender was, 22.1% of the hate-crimes where the offender's race was recorded were committed by someone who was neither white nor black. Although 22.1% doesn't make too much of a difference when [white-victims]/[black population] is so much (almost 2 times bigger) compared to [black victims/white population], it is something to consider.

If you take into account the amount of hate crime committed by separate minorities the minimum difference between the values is 0.258 and the maximum is 1.371. this gives it a percentage uncertainty of about 75% for the difference in the values. I probably mucked up my maths somewhere along the line but to paraphrase: we probably shouldn't make crimes against white people proportional to number of black people and vice versa. Should perhaps just rely on the number of crimes committed by that race if we want proportions.

Now the fact is that a lot more crimes are committed against black people despite them being such a small proportion of the population. In a country where discrimination was spread more evenly (or, if it isn't too much of a stretch, fairly) then the proportion of hate crimes against black people would reflect the proportion of black people in the population.

Anyway, thanks for the links, I love doing dodgy inaccurate calculations and pretending to be a statistician or something.

but thought that it wouldn't be worth posting since you would probably just focus on the more useful statistic for this.

Originally Posted by Boredpayne

Yes, I agree. It is incredibly obvious that the AB kill people. I think you put it best, in a respectful tone that you later note I am failing to appropriately match: "No shit sherlock, (sic)"

Originally Posted by Boredpayne

But there were some people in this thread, naming no names, who described them as more of a weekend brunch group, so they needed this painfully obvious truth explained to them.

While most other prison gangs are racially based as a result of the long standing establishment of racially differentiated prisons, the Aryan Brotherhood stands out as a gang that was formed on and operates on the premise of racial supremacy, borrowed directly from Nazi ideology, hence the eponymous "Aryan".

Originally Posted by hawkesnightmare

Pig, the statistics in the links you provided are based on percentages, and don't need to be adjusted for the proportion of races. We know that blacks receive 66% of hate crimes while only making up 13% of the population. 'Nuff said.

Originally Posted by Honorable Grand Dragon

Prisons are not racially segregated, they segregated based on gang affiliation, but since all prison gangs are EXTREMELY racist, if you look at it with absolutely no idea what is going on, then you might think they are by race.

The nazis are not the only racists in the world. Stop with the "only whites can be racist, racism against whites doesn't exist" arguments.

Originally Posted by Hachem24

There is no race, "race" is just an illusion that separates us humans.
Before I start, yes I know I'm American(half american*)

Yes, I agree some Americans are very racist.
This is the racism in America in a nutshell

Blacks: Gang Violence
Hispanic: Illegal Immigration (funny because they're the original Immigrants)
Arab: Terrorism (I've experienced this kind of racism because I am Muslim)

Originally Posted by Boredpayne

When I talk about the racially segregated public institutions of the United States, I'm talking of the past. You know, Plessy v Ferguson, Jim Crow laws? Brown v Board of education? It's all very, very famous?

Originally Posted by Boredpayne

Look anyway the point you're majestically failing to grasp is that the the origins of racial makeup of American prisons and gangs can be traced through history, and the Aryan Brotherhood and similar white nationalist organizations are uniquely founded and operated on a premise of racial superiority.

Since "prison" and "public institutions" use different words, naturally I don't have to convince you that they are different things.

Since "prison" and "public institutions" use different words,

use different words

What a pointless argument. Racism is racism regardless as to how the organisation was founded. The idea that only AB/etc can be racist because they were founded on racism is utterly absurd.