Originally Posted by
Spencer135
We have debated the existence of god on these forums. You pretty much just said what I said except made it sound more challenging. I've heard the rap you're talking about, and I've heard you argument more times than any man needs to. The DJ makes a beat on the computer and the rapper talks poetry over it. What about rap with real instruments in it? There is very little, and it's not complex. I would much rather read poetry than listen to a computer.
Seems like you didn't read my arguments at all... I gave examples of rap groups making rap over real instruments...
Let me insert the links again:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4cYP0v2BLu0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4uoozbuDogA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6P8w6A5lti4
Aren't they complex enough?
And read my words: Complex and technical is not necessarily a synonym of quality.
If you think that complex and technical is a synonym of quality then you would love the complexity of the metaphors, wordplay, rhyme schemes, multisyllabic rhymes, and analogies and multiple-meaning subjects in the lyrics of some rappers, if you were able to fully understand them... Things you don't even imagine. ;)
Also... You can't say that turntables are computers.
Dealing with turntablism is about skills... And sampling is itself a way of importing real instrument sounds from another music and place it on your beat in the desired way.
Such skills gives you incredible creative and dynamic control over the sound, that's why you hear often that "god is a DJ".
Besides you can even make a beat using the Beatbox skills, isn't that even more "REAL" in your perspective since you'll stay really far from computers and other kind of technology other than your own mouth and lungs?
And yet, even mixing sounds on a SP1200, or in Reason, require skills and creativity.
But wait a minute, what kind of argument is that when in the other hand you probably like electric guitars and other instruments that are connected to computer systems or any tools to digitally treat their signals and sounds?
To me, music is music, no matter if you use real instruments - connected to sound processing technology or not - or a couple of turntables and some old vynils, or some instrument sounds emulated by a computer and mix them using YOUR skills and creativity, or like I said, even using your mouth in beatbox.
So now I ask you, is it really necessary to use real instruments to make music or "good music" or "real music" - whatever you want to call it?
I think its just preciosity from you, and you are unable to accept alternative forms of making something that is universal and as wide as it gets - music.
That seems to me that this is all a problem within you, not within rap.
Last edited by BrainSplatter; Oct 21, 2007 at 08:31 PM.