Originally Posted by
Ele
Is your name Tonakai mf?
Because when police are called to DV situations, usually all that's needed is one party requires a kind and considerate talking to, right?
In America, don't you agree that a certain level of militarisation is necessary in policing, given the amount of gun violence and the culture of gun ownership? It's a classic example of the security dilemma.
No, thats why I linked that long ass article which you didn't read. I'm not going to explain it twice. And again no, the public should be able to solve that on their own without the police getting involved with more firepower. Ideally the problem is solved at the root, and we have lots of community intervention before a criminal turns into a criminal. That's the whole point of defunding the police. The shit that the police do now should be done by someone else whose main goal isn't to imprison them. I don't believe anyone is seriously arguing for wild west anarchy.
Originally Posted by
Ele
This isn't an argument about defunding the police. This is an argument about which form of justice is best. I think most thinking people agree that retributive justice (eye for an eye) isn't ideal. Here, you're pushing for a mixture of restorative and rehabilitive justice. The solution ain't necesarrily defunding the police either, rather, the solution, I reckon, ought to be directed towards reforming the criminal justice system.
Well yes reforming the justice system might include redirecting police funds to community programs. The point is that there is too much punitive now and not anywhere near enough rehabilitative and restorative. Like why does the police need to be at a 911 call where a man fell out of a window and got shot when he ran up to the police covered in blood? The system is currently a revolving prison door which is garbage.
Originally Posted by
Ele
Some people (filthy anarchists) take 'defunding' the police to mean the complete 'abolition' of policing, i.e. police aren't needed. That's silly. Anyone wanna take that line of argument here?
I'd like to see this argument as well. I imagine it looks pretty much like what I described where the goal is to immediately help and not immediately imprison, but this is unrealistic and much more difficult to implement.