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Originally Posted by hanz0 View Post
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I agree with this post
All these newer people who merely stand on the shoulders of giants... guess I'm just rooted in the past, but I still view ChezDa, Dafe, and noweb as the greatest players solely because they're probably some of the most iconic players who ever touched the game. ChezDa is probably one of the most iconic replay makers ever, and Dafe was always coming up with these nifty 50 frame openers that worked well in both sp and mp, and noweb was just great at single player and multiplayer.

KamiKo might be the newest person I would say is one of the greatest. I had the pleasure of playing against him in wushu before he joined Alpha, and damn he was great even before he introduced the whirlwind kicks. Tried to recruit him into Inq at the time, obviously failed, but jeez, he was somebody I could tell would go far. Pulled the carpet out from under me more that a couple times during the Toriolympics as well.
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Back to the topic of rusty-ness, throughout practice your mind begins to understand the physics more , and more, from knowing how many clicks it takes to extend or to contract until it becomes a reflex. Going deeper into this, our minds read any tori-game through a series of patterns , these patterns being the clicking of joints of course, to jump, to kick , to get into a comeback position, jump etc, unknowingly your mind is subconsciously memorizing these patterns, the bottom line is the more you play the more patterns you immerse thus making you a better player .

Then again , as you go forward on a vacation, you begin to let loose of these patterns, everything your subconcious mind remembered of toribash gets rusty and dusty.

Thats why you may not be as good as you were . But ofcourse after some practice you can easily get back to your previous potential .

How long does it take ?

This depends on your minds capabilities which I'm really not going to move forward in.
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This is not because I am a fan of them.

The best in my opinion is jaker. He is wrecking the book of records as we speak. Thst was for sp though. Oh and he is tied with nuthug.

Nuthug is also the best mp player in my opinion tied with vipertech. I'm not sure if that is true because I am missing out on toribash and been inactive for 3 months.
Depends what you define as greatest.
Do you judge it on ability to win a match, or ability to play a good match and win while still looking awesome in the process.
Disregarding all the "shovel is easy to counter thing", as it holds no value in my point, would someone who wins every match by shovelling be considered great, or shit because he only moves a few joints and doesn't hugely understand the game mechanics?

Personally I believe making a match look good is much more important, and if you can win and make it look good, then you're great.
I can understand why people all say Kris is the greatest, and he may well be, but his final with Daxx the year before nearly made me vomit with the lack of technical ability involved - from both parties.
However, back to the topic at hand.
If you count "playing to win" as the greatest, then Kris would probably have it, but I wouldn't classify that style of playing as hugely skillful, also if you're talking about overall greatness then his sp, while definitely good (I remember seeing some of his replays when I applied to ORMO and being a bit inspired), aren't really in the league of Oblivion, Nuthug, Tamer0 etc etc

And so, I reckon you have 2 categories of greatest. You have the legends, and then the newer people, as Oracle kinda stated, there are gonna be 2 generations as it were each with quite distinct style.
I'm not as clued up on the older gen as I wasn't really around then - I mean like 06,07 old school - so I will only add that TIcux imo is one of the greatest players. He can tear people apart in most mods and unpick a technique in minutes, really good to play against and very humble too. Love playing with him. Although I've never even seen an sp replay from him. Which brings me on to Nuthug, far above average ingame, maybe not quite as strong as TIcux but still way up there, combined with his classic sp skills.
Then you have the slightly later people like Leyz, who is very much like TIcux but maybe a bit worse in some mods, but then he has the sp skills making him a better overall candidate potentially. Oblivion too, probably worse in MP but his SP is clearly technically amazing.
Leilak is probably worth a mention here too, maybe Juhizz aswell. Oh and Pulse is amazing at what he does. What he does being sp and tk really, then his udnerstanding in other mods is brilliant, brilliant to watch him play actually.

The newer people who are worth are mention imo are Swexx and Largekilla, they're doing very well, although perhaps they're both quite specific.
Perhaps I got into that too much, guess I got carried away...
Last edited by Erth; Feb 27, 2013 at 05:46 PM.
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Originally Posted by Erth View Post
Depends what you define as greatest.
Do you judge it on ability to win a match, or ability to play a good match and win while still looking awesome in the process.

depends. why cant it be both?
overall its the general skill, not about the winning.
if someone has an unbeatable perfect shovel strategy or whatever, and i spend the entire match pulling out saves out of nothing and generally being amazing, i would consider myself the better player, even if i ended up losing.
depends on the perspective of the watcher, or judge.

Originally Posted by Erth View Post
Disregarding all the "shovel is easy to counter thing", as it holds no value in my point, would someone who wins every match by shovelling be considered great, or shit because he only moves a few joints and doesn't hugely understand the game mechanics?

if no one can beat a person with a super ultra perfect shovel, then props to that person.
if everyone learns the super ultra perfect shovel, then that person loses all his credibility.
if the super ultra perfect shovel is something that requires an understanding of the game dynamics during that game, to be adapted by the player, then props to him.

Originally Posted by Erth View Post
Personally I believe making a match look good is much more important, and if you can win and make it look good, then you're great.

so long as it doesnt affect the play, if you lose because of something you did to make it look good, then sorry you lose.

Originally Posted by Erth View Post
And so, I reckon you have 2 categories of greatest. You have the legends, and then the newer people as Oracle kinda stated, there are gonna be 2 generations as it were each with quite distinct style.

the oldschool guys are great because they innovated, they set the standard, they made things that were new and amazing that no one ever thought could be done.
the new guys, take the standards set by the oldschoolers and take it to the next level, making the game modern and generally being great in world where its all been done befor.


Originally Posted by Erth View Post
Which brings me on to Nuthug, far above average ingame, maybe not quite as strong as TIcux but still way up there, combined with his classic sp skills.

as an all rounder, ticux is probably better, but as a specialist, nuthug was an artist.
when jamieshamie bought nuthug the one month 1000tc booster, he played 100 aikido matches a day for the whole month. nuthug went from a decent/good multiplayer, to the god of aikido, he was untouchable back then, turned aikido into an artform.
then moving onto refining the singleplayer conventionsm challenging himself to go bigger and more ridiculous every time. his first real running replay, 4 player sparring replays or head passing competitions with mosier and rutzor, all just blew my mind when he did that.

and while compared to the modern game, when people do that in multiplayer, it may seem pedestrian, but when its the first time seeing it, after 2 years of people saying "lol, running/walking is impossible" it was something special.

was a fun time to be around, the community in general got to a point somewhere in 2008 where everyone just suddenly started doing awesome shit all over the place.

Originally Posted by Erth View Post
Oblivion too, probably worse in MP but his SP is clearly technically amazing.

had a good chat with nuthug about the difference between him and oblivion, people have been comparing the two for years.
he said the only difference in ability between them, was that oblivion was a perfectionist, spending hours redoing and editing replays just to get the wrist at the right angle to look realistic and natural.
his dedication to getting it just right was >>

obviously oblivion moved into the modern game moreso than nuthug, so his replays naturally got better and better, and probably, the time he'd spend making replays and getting that perfection, got less and less, making him one of the new generation legends, rather than oldschool legend.
he didnt innovate, he refined the idea of realistic replays into magic
Last edited by BenDover; Feb 27, 2013 at 06:55 PM.
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I can't really say anything on this but I remember very vividly of Juhizz obliterating me in tk.
oh yeah
I don't want to get too main stream but I'd just say Swexx. His sparring replays are beast and fighting him is a joy.
Also, Alex5050. He's rank 1 in ABD. No explanations needed I guess. Not a farmer btw
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