Originally Posted by
Erth
Depends what you define as greatest.
Do you judge it on ability to win a match, or ability to play a good match and win while still looking awesome in the process.
depends. why cant it be both?
overall its the general skill, not about the winning.
if someone has an unbeatable perfect shovel strategy or whatever, and i spend the entire match pulling out saves out of nothing and generally being amazing, i would consider myself the better player, even if i ended up losing.
depends on the perspective of the watcher, or judge.
Originally Posted by
Erth
Disregarding all the "shovel is easy to counter thing", as it holds no value in my point, would someone who wins every match by shovelling be considered great, or shit because he only moves a few joints and doesn't hugely understand the game mechanics?
if no one can beat a person with a super ultra perfect shovel, then props to that person.
if everyone learns the super ultra perfect shovel, then that person loses all his credibility.
if the super ultra perfect shovel is something that requires an understanding of the game dynamics during that game, to be adapted by the player, then props to him.
Originally Posted by
Erth
Personally I believe making a match look good is much more important, and if you can win and make it look good, then you're great.
so long as it doesnt affect the play, if you lose because of something you did to make it look good, then sorry you lose.
Originally Posted by
Erth
And so, I reckon you have 2 categories of greatest. You have the legends, and then the newer people as Oracle kinda stated, there are gonna be 2 generations as it were each with quite distinct style.
the oldschool guys are great because they innovated, they set the standard, they made things that were new and amazing that no one ever thought could be done.
the new guys, take the standards set by the oldschoolers and take it to the next level, making the game modern and generally being great in world where its all been done befor.
Originally Posted by
Erth
Which brings me on to Nuthug, far above average ingame, maybe not quite as strong as TIcux but still way up there, combined with his classic sp skills.
as an all rounder, ticux is probably better, but as a specialist, nuthug was an artist.
when jamieshamie bought nuthug the one month 1000tc booster, he played 100 aikido matches a day for the whole month. nuthug went from a decent/good multiplayer, to the god of aikido, he was untouchable back then, turned aikido into an artform.
then moving onto refining the singleplayer conventionsm challenging himself to go bigger and more ridiculous every time. his first real running replay, 4 player sparring replays or head passing competitions with mosier and rutzor, all just blew my mind when he did that.
and while compared to the modern game, when people do that in multiplayer, it may seem pedestrian, but when its the first time seeing it, after 2 years of people saying "lol, running/walking is impossible" it was something special.
was a fun time to be around, the community in general got to a point somewhere in 2008 where everyone just suddenly started doing awesome shit all over the place.
Originally Posted by
Erth
Oblivion too, probably worse in MP but his SP is clearly technically amazing.
had a good chat with nuthug about the difference between him and oblivion, people have been comparing the two for years.
he said the only difference in ability between them, was that oblivion was a perfectionist, spending hours redoing and editing replays just to get the wrist at the right angle to look realistic and natural.
his dedication to getting it just right was >>
obviously oblivion moved into the modern game moreso than nuthug, so his replays naturally got better and better, and probably, the time he'd spend making replays and getting that perfection, got less and less, making him one of the new generation legends, rather than oldschool legend.
he didnt innovate, he refined the idea of realistic replays into magic
Last edited by BenDover; Feb 27, 2013 at 06:55 PM.