Well yea for sure it won't come to an end, I myself am 'unharmfully' racist to my mates of colour and I unfortunetly see it as funny and so do they. But atleast this can maybe tone down the hate that is around a lot to do with race. But even saying this I get triggered at Asians swarming my country. It's going to be a hard thing to do but atleast there's a decent amount of awareness coming out of this. Obviously the riots aren't good but typical MURICA
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Last edited by JoboMan; Jun 2, 2020 at 09:40 PM.
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I apologise for this post.
Riots aren't good, sure, but at this point they're natural. For as long as I have lived, and decades beyond that, there have been peaceful protests. Sports players kneeling for police brutality victims. Celebrities talking about including more black people in their fields. Race diversity in video games, movies, TV series and so on. Peaceful marches. I've seen these for my whole life, and the most positive reaction I've seen to these from people who are close to me in real life is "man, it's so cool that they're being so philanthrophic." This is also how I thought, too.
End result? Nothing changes. Perpetrators don't get incarcerated, oh no - they don't even lose their jobs. No new laws or regulations are made, no modifications to existing ones, no programs to make life as a whole more fair to minorities. It's all nice and good to include more races in entertainment, but it's all pointless if nothing changes in real life. And, eventually someone is killed again, for us to go through this whole process again. And once again, nothing changes.
After these riots, if nothing changes, there will be a yet another innocent life killed. And then the riots get worse. And if nothing changes even then? Someone is killed once again, riots happen, which will be even worse.
It's all very natural. When you experience enough injustice, you will want to retaliate. At first it's peaceful, because no one wants violence. When it doesn't work, the measures start becoming more and more radical, until it becomes violence. And then, onlookers just say "wow dude chill violence doesn't solve anything", when these people have suffered discrimination and violence for decades.
Then we have statements like "all cops are bastards" or "defund the police". If you want attention towards a decades-long issue such as this, explaining all the history and nuances will take forever. You need statements like these to get people under the same banner. Of course, as said previously in this thread, the statements sound, at first, radical. Surely all police aren't bad? And what comes of public safety when the police are gone? But, just as many argue against these statements, the statements itself are also nuanced and have history behind them.
Here's the part where I state my opinion, which makes lots of people angry:
I think all the people who are against the rioting, "ACAB" and "defund the police" really don't care about the whole issue. These people, indeed, only see the violence and these few words, but the part where they go wrong is they build their opinions based on this meaningless amount of information. They argue how violence doesn't solve anything, that not all cops are bad, that defunding the police would mean the collapse of order and justice. They argue about all this while also saying that there's a lot of nuance and history to all these issues without finding the nuance and history behind these issues themselves. They're hypocritical and ignorant!
Yet, I cannot blame these people. I once thought like that, too; not about this current event, but past riots. No desire to actually investigate the issue because it really doesn't affect me in any way, yet still feeling like I was being attacked and thus forming baseless opinions to protect myself from this non-existent enemy. The justice system is something we're taught to respect, so when someone says that it's not that reliable, our knee-jerk reaction is to try to protect it, without really knowing why. It's been like this for our whole lives, why should it change now?
ehh, I've ranted long enough and probably aggravated enough people. sorry for being a butt, but still, we whites have too much power and we should probably use that power to fix things. my tu cents
End result? Nothing changes. Perpetrators don't get incarcerated, oh no - they don't even lose their jobs. No new laws or regulations are made, no modifications to existing ones, no programs to make life as a whole more fair to minorities. It's all nice and good to include more races in entertainment, but it's all pointless if nothing changes in real life. And, eventually someone is killed again, for us to go through this whole process again. And once again, nothing changes.
After these riots, if nothing changes, there will be a yet another innocent life killed. And then the riots get worse. And if nothing changes even then? Someone is killed once again, riots happen, which will be even worse.
It's all very natural. When you experience enough injustice, you will want to retaliate. At first it's peaceful, because no one wants violence. When it doesn't work, the measures start becoming more and more radical, until it becomes violence. And then, onlookers just say "wow dude chill violence doesn't solve anything", when these people have suffered discrimination and violence for decades.
Then we have statements like "all cops are bastards" or "defund the police". If you want attention towards a decades-long issue such as this, explaining all the history and nuances will take forever. You need statements like these to get people under the same banner. Of course, as said previously in this thread, the statements sound, at first, radical. Surely all police aren't bad? And what comes of public safety when the police are gone? But, just as many argue against these statements, the statements itself are also nuanced and have history behind them.
Here's the part where I state my opinion, which makes lots of people angry:
I think all the people who are against the rioting, "ACAB" and "defund the police" really don't care about the whole issue. These people, indeed, only see the violence and these few words, but the part where they go wrong is they build their opinions based on this meaningless amount of information. They argue how violence doesn't solve anything, that not all cops are bad, that defunding the police would mean the collapse of order and justice. They argue about all this while also saying that there's a lot of nuance and history to all these issues without finding the nuance and history behind these issues themselves. They're hypocritical and ignorant!
Yet, I cannot blame these people. I once thought like that, too; not about this current event, but past riots. No desire to actually investigate the issue because it really doesn't affect me in any way, yet still feeling like I was being attacked and thus forming baseless opinions to protect myself from this non-existent enemy. The justice system is something we're taught to respect, so when someone says that it's not that reliable, our knee-jerk reaction is to try to protect it, without really knowing why. It's been like this for our whole lives, why should it change now?
ehh, I've ranted long enough and probably aggravated enough people. sorry for being a butt, but still, we whites have too much power and we should probably use that power to fix things. my tu cents
I'm not really sure what question is being asked by the OP, but regarding George Floyd, he was a criminal convicted of numerous drug charges, for invading a woman's home with 5 others and pointing a gun at her. This was a deeply messed-up individual, and should not be portrayed as a martyr by any movement or person.
Now, the knee-on-neck protocol - as far as I've been made aware - isn't a by-the-book practice in the police force. However, the police are allowed to do it provided the situation requires it. In the case of Floyd's, the protocol wasn't proportionate to the gravity of the situation, and it can be confidently asserted that the police officer acted irresponsibly. He should have been convicted of voluntary manslaughter, though I believe the jurisdiction charged him with unintentional second-degree; the distinctions vary from jurisdiction. I'm from the UK, so I don't have full understanding of that stuff.
As for the idea that there is systemic racism in America, it is a loosely defined statement that requires proof and evidence. I haven't seen that proof.
Now, the knee-on-neck protocol - as far as I've been made aware - isn't a by-the-book practice in the police force. However, the police are allowed to do it provided the situation requires it. In the case of Floyd's, the protocol wasn't proportionate to the gravity of the situation, and it can be confidently asserted that the police officer acted irresponsibly. He should have been convicted of voluntary manslaughter, though I believe the jurisdiction charged him with unintentional second-degree; the distinctions vary from jurisdiction. I'm from the UK, so I don't have full understanding of that stuff.
As for the idea that there is systemic racism in America, it is a loosely defined statement that requires proof and evidence. I haven't seen that proof.
Originally Posted by Mallymkun
I'm not really sure what question is being asked by the OP, but regarding George Floyd, he was a criminal convicted of numerous drug charges, for invading a woman's home with 5 others and pointing a gun at her. This was a deeply messed-up individual, and should not be portrayed as a martyr by any movement or person.
No one said he was a perfect person, his needless death served as the umpteenth reminder that black people are being treated unfairly in the US.
Originally Posted by Mallymkun
As for the idea that there is systemic racism in America, it is a loosely defined statement that requires proof and evidence. I haven't seen that proof
Gonna go out on a limb and say you're not looking for it.
alright guy
Originally Posted by Mallymkun
As for the idea that there is systemic racism in America, it is a loosely defined statement that requires proof and evidence. I haven't seen that proof.
What kinda evidence do you want to see? Many books, studies, videos, podcasts, what have you, have been made about systemic racism.
How about a 34 minute of a guy responding to the Change My Mind guy claiming that systemic racism doesn't exist?
Oh, it's not evidence? How about the Wikipedia article of systemic racism? You know, the source that gives a lot of sources to articles, studies, books, and stuff?
Wikipedia isn't a real source? Despite all the sources that Wikipedia gives? How about an opinion article of The Washing Post with, once again, multiple links to studies about systemic racism in different fields? How about a yet another swarm of links by NPR, to books, films, documentaries and podcasts?
Forgive me, I might have sounded a little condescending there. If you're looking for evidence, it is there. As is often said, all you need to do is Google. But I know you won't check out any of those. Or maybe you will, I don't know, but I think it's rather unlikely. If I were in your shoes, I wouldn't, either, because why the hell would I order books about an issue that I disagree with? Still, the evidence is there, and it won't go away, whether or not you check them out.
George Floyd wasn't a martyr. Martyrdom requires one to die while advocating for whatever they believed in. Floyd died while crying for his mother. He is a name amongst many, many black people who have been needlessly killed by the police, which is one of the far too many examples of systemic racism. You know, because black people tend to get reported way more often than whites. Many of the names used in these campaigns and riots are people who were reported for doing completely ordinary things, such as holding a phone or sleeping. You know, because people are more afraid of blacks starting shit than whites.
With that said, George Floyd did have a criminal record, although I fail to find anything about the "pointing a gun at a girl" part. The crimes happened between 1997 and 2009; quite a while ago. But still, why does it even matter? He was reported for paying with a counterfeit $20 bill, which no one knew at that moment if it was counterfeit or not, and then he was killed. Pointless killing, pointless death.