Originally Posted by
melrose
To me, this argument is just here to make a scene.
This just isn't true and is really inappropriate for a staff member to be saying.
Originally Posted by
melrose
One of my favourite examples is a member I came across lately, named Cowboy. He had all items referencing the western, and even said "howdy partner" to me (which was really cute btw). If we start taking these things away from our community, I feel the customisation of toris will diminish, and lesser its freedom.
Cowboys aren't minorities being stripped of their culture, having their culture commodified, etc. They were (and sort of still are?) a part of a period in US history. Their culture isn't in danger and they haven't faced oppression or prejudice for their culture.
Originally Posted by
melrose
If we all try hard enough, every item can be offensive to somebody, and I simply disagree with deleting items simply because of the fact, that somebody may get offended.
That's absolutely not true. There are plenty of items that don't have the kind of cultural significance that a war bonnet does. A kimono would be better since it doesn't hold the kind of weight that a war bonnet does. It's not all about it belonging to a culture. It's how we're disregarding how sacred it is to that culture.
Originally Posted by
melrose
It's funny to me how selective Maya is with this item, because I can find A FEW items that are way more culturally offensive, but somehow haven't reached their awareness.
Selective? I just saw this post. I haven't been browsing the store. Speak up if you see something! Dm me about them too if you'd like.
I really don't expect staff members to jump on the maya hate train. Thank you for that.
Originally Posted by
Vertex
"I have no ties to the item's background so I cant use this item I brought" Maya's Logic sure is sweet.
Like I said... it's not only that it isn't a culture that we belong to, but that the referenced culture is one still being stomped out by colonialism as we speak and that the item has a lot of weight within that culture. It's not just a fun fashion accessory to them.
Originally Posted by
Vertex
If we're gonna go by your logic, most of the 3d items in the shops will be restricted based on the persons identity, which will suck ass.
Again, that wasn't my point at all. You can adorn fashion from other cultures, but it has to be in good taste.
Originally Posted by
Vertex
(sombrero originates from Mexico, Katana originates from Japan, Viking shield originates from Norway, the list goes on and on)
Sombreros were made to keep farmers safe from the sun and are even sold to tourists in much of Mexico.
Katanas are simply weapons and though they played a good sized role in feudal Japan, they are still used in modern martial arts and are far from sacred.
The viking shield's situation is almost identical to the katana's.
Originally Posted by
Vertex
So me, a Cameroonian man, cant use any of the items I have no ties to because I'm not indigenous? Sounds like discrimination to me.
You can adorn items which originate in other cultures. You misunderstand why the war bonnet is an issue.
Originally Posted by
Vertex
I'll wear what I please and I wont give 2 shits about your SJW crap. Someone who's so desperate to fight discrimination and racism is the SAME PERSON to tell who can adopt this culture and who can't based off their identity. Instead of telling people what cultures they can't adopt, how about you focus your twisted views onto yourself and let everyone else do what they wish to do.
Everyone doing whatever they wish is how cultures get stomped out, commodified, white washed. I just won't let that happen in the communities I'm a part of. You had no need for all this toxicity in your post. You completely misunderstood me and attacked me for it. Not cool.
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I just google searched the issue for 2 minutes and found out that war bonnets are actually banned at most music festivals internationally and across a great number of other events in the UK as well. Please read up on this stuff before presenting your opinion on it.
Here are a quick 3 links for ya.
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The second was written by an indigenous person and the others contain quotes and written statements by other indigenous people.
Last edited by Maya; Nov 25, 2020 at 08:05 PM.
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