The following inspired this entry;
Originally Posted by
OldJoe
I am saying that the theory indeed is humble and all, but as far as I know it didnt work as Marx and Engels had presumed.
This, along with stuff like "communism as an idea is great, it just doesn't work in practice", "capatalism is better because it works", and other common liberterian phrases make my blood boil. Literally, my temprature just went up 5 degrees. Celcius.
I was less of a witty communist in my last post - and more of an existential, serious philosopher - I seek to change that with this entry, do not worry, I will not bore you again.
As a communist it is once again my duty to bash the hell out of a libertarian's jizz after he read some of Ayn Rand's dreaded works (*COUGH* shesdumb *COUGH* ). So I'll do this like the germans did it to the jews - I'll chronicle every single detail and do it systematically. Especially if it means more work. So hello world, prepare to be smacked in the head.
Alright - first off I'll take the first argument and tear it to pieces - let me rephrase it so that I may make a strawman out if the argument so it's easier to tear apart. (google "strawman fallacy" if you don't get it)
"Communism is not as great as Karl Marx made it out to be, it will always turn out as a dictatorship."
O'RLY?!
O'RLY?!
O'RLY?!
O'RLY?!
I just... planted my face into the palm of my opened hand. Don't make me have to do a double facepalm. I say we take it to history and examine the sources in a diffrent way, no? I'm sure you've all heard of the soviet union.
You haven't?!
GTFO
The soviet union was co-founded by "GLORIOUS GREAT" revolutionary "KING OF ALL COMMUNISTS" Lenin from old "IMPERALIST" czarist Russia. Now if you remeber Marx's ideals of how communism is to be formed - then you should hopefully (gah I'm being too optimistic here) remeber that for communism to be even possible the state where it is to be attempted has to be industrialized - in possesion of many machines.
Guess what Russia was before the november revolution.
Come on guess.
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IT WAS THE MOST UNINDUSTRIALIZED SUPERPOWER IN THE FREAKING WORLD.
*cough*
And Lenin was no dumb bitch. He understood that in order for communism to even have a chance of sucess in the soviet union was that the soviet union needed to be industrialized. And quick.
Joy of joys, but how did Lenin decide to industrialize the soviet union.
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With capatalism.
No wait, that's not a big enough of a font, let me try again;
WITH CAPATALISM
I'm not fucking kidding. Here's the source if you don't believe me;
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Economic_Policy
I'm super serial, one of the biggest "communits" in the world was a god damn capatalist pig. A CAPATALIST PIG I TELL YOU, ONE THAT SWAM IN ITS OWN MUD!
Then Lenin died after the end of the fighting with the white army (anti-communist miltia in russia that fought for a long time with the red army) - and then it was unknown who was to take his place. Stalin got lucky and went to the top of the ladder - instead of Trotsky - who was second in command after Lenin before he died.
Guess what Stalin did to Trotsky.
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He exiled him from the soviet union and then had him assassinated. I mean come on people, Trotsky was the most communist of communists and Stalin owned him and then teabagged him just because Trotsky competed with him for power?!
At this point everyone knew that Stalin was a big power-hungry maniac. Even Lenin knew before he died, I quote wikipedia:
About the Communist Party’s General Secretary (since 1922), Josef Stalin, Lenin reported that the “unlimited authority” concentrated in him was unacceptable, suggesting that “comrades think about a way of removing Stalin from that post”, because his personal rudeness would be “intolerable in a Secretary-General”.
And guess what Stalin did to Lenin then?
No, he didn't kill him like Trotsky, rather he censored Lenin's speeches and works in the soviet union. Lenin died rather quickly after his strokes so there was no need for Stalin to kill him off...
Now with what you know of Stalin - would one really think that any country would not turn into some sort of evil power-driven goverment? What if Stalin were the president of the USA?
Now the point I want to draw here is that the soviet union could never have been a "true" communism - ever since from its start it was fucked and got overtaken by dictators with very little compasion for the ideals of communism. Instead the soviet union turned itself into a dictatorship which called itself "communistic" in the same way your average 3rd world african country calls itself "fair and democratic".
Hypocrites.
Still, at least there were many socialist elements in the soviet union, so it was not all that bad as one would like to think in terms of their closeness to communism.
Oh! And while we're still on the point of Russia/the soviet union, I wonder what happened in the decade after the dissolvation of the soviet union in Russia...
One would think that Russia would slowly make itself to prosper economically after the implentation of the free market, since it is superior as everyone says, right?
Wrong, Russia faced a huge economic depression in which millions of Russians died due to hunger, crime, etc. A dictatorship also managed to form in Russia even with it's new westernized goverment, why am I not suprised?! Even today Russians are very poor - only the rich are very rich - and this is coming from someone who saw it on facelevel and from the horse's mouth - I am Russian.
China - it's a god damn free market there basically with a dictator in rule who couldn't care less for his people.
The only real attempts at communism - which aren't yet completely through with - are the ones made by Cuba and Venezula. Guess what - those two countries aren't governed by maniacs who want to stay in power - the two rather care for their people. Cuba, for example, has one of the better eductional and health care systems in the world.
Oh, by the way, did you know that Fidel Castro, communist leader of Cuba, was targeted for assination by the USA. Not once. Not twice. Not thrice. But SIX HUNDRED THRITY EIGHT TIMES. (source:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2006...uncancampbell2 ) And that they're still at it?!
If that's not an attrocity... I don't know what is. Capatalism and it's "democratic" goverment has done very little in order to stop attrocities.
Do I even have to mention all of the war crimes commited by the USA in WWII, all of the times they used drug traficking in order to "stop the spread of communsim", where they armed and trained many diffrent groups in the middle east in order to fight communism, which they now fight and use literally every method to do so, including torture?
Do I?!
My point being - again - western forms of goverments have done just as much evil as the soviet union, it is not just publicized. If one were to count the number of black ops the CIA has been issued to do... well...
Let's just say you'd be unpleasantly suprised.
Now let me come to my last two points - that the statement that capatalism is "better for the econamy" is completely false and that it was shit to live in communism by providing you with two links.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poverty..._United_States - Arround 15% of Americans, who live in one of the most properous and most free markets in the world, live in poverty. If you had six random friends in the USA - chances are one of them live in poverty, meaning they
can't provide themselves with the food,shelter, clothing, and health care they need.
http://www.spiegel.de/international/...634122,00.html - People who lived formerly in communism prefering communism over new capatalistic goverment - in Germany, which is not a shithole atm
What do you have to say about that, you liberterian gun nuts?!
Last edited by Deprived_OLD; Sep 22, 2009 at 08:53 PM.