Where would that 20k come from if you're doing away with TC-making places altogether?

I see your point, this would make the demand for tc even bigger, but at the same time it reduces the inflation, and that is a good thing.

Maybe if it was a bit like official clans, that you'd have to apply for it, and if the server isn't active enough, it would be removed.
You would still have to have a fine, though, not to waste the staff's time with useless apps from completely unknown clans.

But in general, i like the idea.

I think the real problem here is that Swaves wants something for Toribash that a lot of other players would be against. I don't think Toribash will ever take away TC making places. The way I see it, TC will always be part of this game. It's just like people doing their job. They earn and love their job at the same time, but some people do it just for the money. We just have to make Toribash enjoyable for guys like Swaves who are after fun, and those who are after the TC.

it doesn't need to change. if anything, it needs to stay the same. however, it's our instinct to not appreciate the value of something until it's taken away from us. so it's understandable as to why you've brought this up.
it's simply great how it is. no need for change.

I agree to some extent, but that shouldn't mean we should stop improving. Refinement is something necessary, in my opinion.
Though, i don't really see your point. Are you talking about the value of TC, or the value of the game itself?

It's fun how one of the most discussionable suggestion isn't in Suggestions.

No you're not. Most people only concern themselves with the forum. Don't think you're the only "true" fan of toribash. It's just ignorant to think that.

Besides, what's the problem with playing for credits? It's what keeps players around. If customization was only obtained through QI, there would be way more QI farming.

Wait, what?
Why does everyone think that it's a question between removing or keeping TC?
Who said we're gonna remove TC? Who said we're gonna "make stuff free"? Who said "we have to make Toribash cost money"?
The point isn't to remove TC entirely, it is to get players to treasure other values.
Now will everybody please focus on the actual suggestion, instead of the examples.

Finally a sane question.
In my somewhat biased opinion (i never have any TCs, and don't care enough to get them), playing for TC is like paying for crops on Farmville. If your objective is to grow crops, and the game can do it for you, it does give you a sense of completeness, but a very cheap, and a not so lasting one. Playing for TC is about the same, you can trash a joint and throw it out of the ring, but what does that really mean in the sense of accomplishment?
I don't want to be that scrub saying GAY SHUVEL every time he loses to a dm, but if you're so happy about winning a duel that you don't care about the game, you might as well buy the damn TC.

And that is why i, at least, am suggesting alternate rewards.

While I agree that there should be more public servers(tourneys pls?), everything else is a moot point. People want to buy qi? Let them. Who's it hurting? Certainly not you, and it gets a nice profit for Nabi. In conclusion, more servers less whining. ~Cheers

i agree the bigger problem in my honest opinion is the stuff in the market being 1000 times its shop value. I understand inflation is mandatory for profits but 500% profits are too greedy.having said that i dont see an easy solution to this problem but im way off topic....

You don't have to buy the items that are in the market, it is all up to you on how much you spend and don't want to spend