Original Post
I think it's about time to adress toxicity
I think it's time that we address movements and political propaganda nonsense unbiased. I think our current system to monitor HOW things are said and done vs WHAT things are said and done is very very weak and to most staff, it doesn't even seem to matter. I want to work on a revvamp of how things should be handled (and not handled) in the community. I think have a clear guideline will be better since obviously, the vast majority of what the community thinks isn't the main interest for our current staff team.
Thoughts?
Thoughts?
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So current relevant global rules are;
To get the ball rolling, if you could rewrite these rules, how you rewrite them?
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One thing I wanna point out is that the rule relating to pornography has been outdated for a while. Pornography is allowed in Wibbles and was allowed in other forums before that (OLDA, anyone?). OLDA was at least password protected (and somewhat vetted), but Wibbles is open to any kid that has the TC for it. Any kid can open up Wibbles and see Maya's gaping asshole, or any number of other NSFW tagged threads that have porn in it. In any case, if we're happy with how things are currently, one thing to instantly rewrite would be to allow pornography in 'private' spaces.
Originally Posted by Global Rules
- Harassment
Harassing (by insulting, name-calling, slurs, bandwagoning, flaming, trolling, and so on) other members of the game for any reason is not allowed. We wish to maintain a friendly environment, and any flaming or harassment may result in a ban. This includes any homophobic or racial slurs in any public space in the community"Public space" is defined as:- Pornography/Gore/Warez etc.If it's brought to moderator's attention and found that your language disrupts the integrity of the environment we're setting; warnings, infractions, or bans will take place. Try to solve issues yourself if you can. We can't possibly be there for every single instance. Asking to politely stop is a start.
- Game - Any room that is not protected by a password.
- Forum - The entire forum with the exception of Wibbles and clan PRIVATE boards.
Pornography/gore/warez etc. are not allowed anywhere at any time for any reason within the Toribash community. Any content of this type in any form will result in a severe ban. This includes linking, requesting, or mentioning such content, this community is not the place for it.
To get the ball rolling, if you could rewrite these rules, how you rewrite them?
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One thing I wanna point out is that the rule relating to pornography has been outdated for a while. Pornography is allowed in Wibbles and was allowed in other forums before that (OLDA, anyone?). OLDA was at least password protected (and somewhat vetted), but Wibbles is open to any kid that has the TC for it. Any kid can open up Wibbles and see Maya's gaping asshole, or any number of other NSFW tagged threads that have porn in it. In any case, if we're happy with how things are currently, one thing to instantly rewrite would be to allow pornography in 'private' spaces.
Last edited by Ele; Jan 24, 2020 at 01:48 PM.
Originally Posted by Greg
obviously, the vast majority of what the community thinks isn't the main interest for our current staff team.
You mark this as obvious but I fail to understand what you're talking about. Though, me being oblivious would make sense I guess if we assume your statement to be true.
Do you have any specific examples/can you elaborate? Very vague blanket statements that almost amount to "staff bad" aren't very useful. This isn't to say "staff bad" is inherently or objectively wrong, just that it leaves a lot of room for interpretation.
current
If it's brought to moderator's attention and found that your language disrupts the integrity of the environment we're setting; warnings, infractions, or bans will take place. Try to solve issues yourself if you can. We can't possibly be there for every single instance. Asking to politely stop is a start.
Language to "actions disrupt". Especially considering the amount of faith and trust already bestowed upon the staff team, that should be an easy change.
Harassing (by insulting, name-calling, slurs, bandwagoning, flaming, trolling, and so on) other members of the game for any reason is not allowed. We wish to maintain a friendly environment, and any flaming or harassment may result in a ban. This includes any homophobic or racial slurs in any public space in the community
I don't believe a whole community should be required to not "bandwagon" on something. That prevents honest protest. As staff should be trusted in handling such situations subjectivity, I still feel like the emphasis needs to be changed as such.
If anything, these are the rules that should be applied especially to wibbles access if not the entire forum instead of the super objective, "but it's subjective" crap posted.
You mark this as obvious but I fail to understand what you're talking about. Though, me being oblivious would make sense I guess if we assume your statement to be true.
Do you have any specific examples/can you elaborate? Very vague blanket statements that almost amount to "staff bad" aren't very useful. This isn't to say "staff bad" is inherently or objectively wrong, just that it leaves a lot of room for interpretation.
Well, a few examples from wibbles comes to mind...
And how about that new rule everyone hated instantly? But it's obvious that bias from staff, even though not super excessive, is rather uncontrolled. If the matter could actually be as dictated and subjective as they say, it would be much much easier to revvamp the rules to human nature instead of deciding when staff should "tie their hands" on making decisions or not. It's just not natural.-----
tldr: make the community happy and advocate change the right way. A lot of us are kinda just more and more pissed off.
Last edited by Greg; Jan 24, 2020 at 03:55 PM.
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@Divine - Here's some examples
More than 80% of people wanted Wibbles gone after the rule revamp there.
Another example, this thread in Suggestions about the horrid handling of the market has been COMPLETELY IGNORED by the relevant staff since SEPTEMBER of last year, despite constant bumping by people demanding a response.
It's pretty obvious staff are gonna do as staff does. Staff knows what's best for the community. Mommy knows best...
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@Greg - I reckon those are fair changes that make sense. Change 'language' to 'actions', and remove 'bandwagoning' from the rule. Anything else?
I think they ought to define what constitutes 'harassment'. Harassment is all about frequency, right? If someone repeatedly says stupid shit, (not naming names) and you repeatedly call them on saying stupid shit, is that harassment? I'd call it constant, genuine disagreement.
Also
So, as a part of the harassment rule (for some reason) flaming is outright banned?
Surely that should be a separate rule. If flaming is banned then flaming is banned. If flaming is banned only when done repetitively, (constituting harassment), then delete flaming from the quoted text above, as it's already covered at the beginning of the harassment rule;
"Harassing (by insulting, name-calling, slurs, bandwagoning, flaming, trolling, and so on)"
If flaming (not as a part of harassment) is banned, then they also need to define flaming. Honestly, I think the addition of flaming to these rules is a bit redundant anyways.
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My version of the global rules (text editor is fucked so can't make it pretty);
-Harassment
More than 80% of people wanted Wibbles gone after the rule revamp there.
Another example, this thread in Suggestions about the horrid handling of the market has been COMPLETELY IGNORED by the relevant staff since SEPTEMBER of last year, despite constant bumping by people demanding a response.
It's pretty obvious staff are gonna do as staff does. Staff knows what's best for the community. Mommy knows best...
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@Greg - I reckon those are fair changes that make sense. Change 'language' to 'actions', and remove 'bandwagoning' from the rule. Anything else?
I think they ought to define what constitutes 'harassment'. Harassment is all about frequency, right? If someone repeatedly says stupid shit, (not naming names) and you repeatedly call them on saying stupid shit, is that harassment? I'd call it constant, genuine disagreement.
Also
Originally Posted by Global Rules
We wish to maintain a friendly environment, and any flaming or harassment may result in a ban.
So, as a part of the harassment rule (for some reason) flaming is outright banned?
Surely that should be a separate rule. If flaming is banned then flaming is banned. If flaming is banned only when done repetitively, (constituting harassment), then delete flaming from the quoted text above, as it's already covered at the beginning of the harassment rule;
"Harassing (by insulting, name-calling, slurs, bandwagoning, flaming, trolling, and so on)"
If flaming (not as a part of harassment) is banned, then they also need to define flaming. Honestly, I think the addition of flaming to these rules is a bit redundant anyways.
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My version of the global rules (text editor is fucked so can't make it pretty);
-Harassment
Harassment is defined as repetitive and malicious targeted abuse (through insulting, name-calling, trolling and so on). We wish to maintain a friendly environment, so harassment may result in a ban. There is currently also a standing ban on the malicious usage of any homophobic or racial slurs in any public space in the community.-Pornography/Gore/Warez etc.
"Public space" is defined as:If it's brought to moderator's attention and found that your actions disrupt the integrity of the environment we're setting; warnings, infractions, or bans will take place. Try to solve issues yourself if you can. We can't possibly be there for every single instance. Asking someone politely to stop is a start.
- Game - Any room that is not protected by a password.
- Forum - The entire forum with the exception of Wibbles and clan PRIVATE boards.
Pornography/gore/warez etc. are not allowed in public spaces at any time for any reason within the Toribash community. Any content of this type in any form will result in a severe ban. This includes linking, requesting, or mentioning such content, this community is not the place for it.
Last edited by Ele; Jan 24, 2020 at 04:39 PM.
