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Upgrade tori control system | IK controls
In my opinion to upgrade tori control system developers should make something work similar to Maya 3d animation but with physics. I just want to say that it would be better to control tori by pulling parts of the body during turns. Watch this video and think about this idea
https://youtu.be/XII9aKbVXrg
Why it will upgrade toribash. You will have more precision. You will be able to have more control of your tori. Will be better to play mods. Just will be easier. You will be able to make more moves. I know it hard to make again tori control system but it will give to you more capabilities. I would like to see this system in toribash. Are you agree with my idea?
Lengthy post from snake
Example from cappuccino
https://youtu.be/XII9aKbVXrg
Why it will upgrade toribash. You will have more precision. You will be able to have more control of your tori. Will be better to play mods. Just will be easier. You will be able to make more moves. I know it hard to make again tori control system but it will give to you more capabilities. I would like to see this system in toribash. Are you agree with my idea?
Lengthy post from snake
Example from cappuccino
Last edited by sir; Jan 17, 2018 at 05:18 PM.
Reason: Uptade
Originally Posted by Xioi
You really don't know what you are talking about. Make replays for 8 years and come back saying that again.
you don't have the grasp at the slightest of what the realism part of Tb's replaymaking is about.
Because you seem to not have an understanding to why people play Mp sparring or realism
salt salt salt salt
i've been doing spars and freerunning and almost about everything except judo and tk, for ages. even before it became mainstream, lol
so there is no need to discount me or to try to tell that i have no idea, gosh, you can ask your likely idol swexx about me sparring / freerunning if you really care
Originally Posted by Xioi
Because it's simple and easy to do stuff if you master it. Mastering it is the hard fucking part, that should be hard to learn.
it will be hard to learn to become good. ahem the control scheme is an interface, not the game. what when and how to do on which turn is the game. it is irrelevant if you use joints or drag parts, because in the end it all boils down to sequences of moves, and how/which/when is exactly the hard to master core of the game, or skill for short.
Originally Posted by Xioi
If you wanna make Toribash 1 hour then get bored of it edition. Feel free, i'm not touching that in any way, shape or form. Because that isn't what Toribash is for me, and most of my replaymaking friends.
i don't get where or when you imagined 1 hour thing, as you don't really try to explain what you mean, so i hope you would not be offended if i will conclude that there is not much besides salt in this reply of yours, would you?
Last edited by snake; Jan 8, 2018 at 01:45 AM.
Honestly wrote alot as a response, but i can't be bothered.
Hope to god no one is stupid enough to go through with the suggestions made in here. Because it would make Tb next into something entirely different of what Tb has been and what people that have wasted ridiculous hours into love it for.
So meh, keep on writing, whatever. You're allowed your opinion,
And yes, verry much so salty. Since you really don't have a clue.
Hope to god no one is stupid enough to go through with the suggestions made in here. Because it would make Tb next into something entirely different of what Tb has been and what people that have wasted ridiculous hours into love it for.
So meh, keep on writing, whatever. You're allowed your opinion,
And yes, verry much so salty. Since you really don't have a clue.
Jun 2, 2023 - .best. day. ever.
Everything is going to look like shit. There's going to be twitching, and a lot of it. This is because there is no way to decide with what power you are going to move with. Now you might have figured out some complicated solution to this but if we're going to add even more elements to this I'm pretty sure the original already does a way better job at simplifying the movement controls.
"Cool delfin med solglajjor" -Larfen
From my limited knowledge of multiplayer, this seems like a legitimate point, simplifying the movement would shift more focus to strategy rather than trying to do the most solid tripod or going through the motions to avoid the lift/shovel/suplex and hoping your foot lands in the dojo or your leg doesn't break when you land. Correct me if I'm wrong, this is from my reduced multiplayer experience: I think the limitations in movement force you to simplify your movement to the bare basics, and during a fight a lot of times you're reduced to essentially doing whatever move works in the most situations. The fact that people save openers and moves with scripts and just pick from them during games is indicative of this. More specific and accessible movement would allow you to plan more specific things and attacks, would provide more situations for the players to be in and consequentially require more strategy and quick thinking.
I realise you probably have little or no interest in replays in general, but just as an attempt to articulate what other people are posting in this thread, here's from a singleplayer standpoint:
It makes sense that replay makers would be averse to this because simplified movement diminishes the merit of performing a difficult move. Obviously there is no hardship or physical strain in making any move at all in a replay regardless of how specific it is, it's 100% patience and trying different things, but there is merit in the player using his experience to quickly figure out which joint states he needs in each frame in order to perform his desired movement, at least in my opinion. Anyone could make the best or most complex move if you give them infinite time, but the difference between good players and new players is that new players will spend far too long and give up before they achieve the same moves that experienced players do.
You can argue that easier movement would just take everything to a new level and a higher standard, but I have a slight concern that it would create a tighter gap in quality between entry level and the physical limits of the game (which remain the same no matter how good people are). The difficulty of movement is responsible for replays increasing in quality non stop for over 10 years now, people are still figuring out ways to make better replays in terms of execution. Meekly using myself as an example, I made a replay just a day ago and while making it I concerned myself with tweaking movement in ways I had never before, even if it's small things, I still find new things to try and improve, because it's just so stupidly hard to get everything right.
I understand the point of view that says "I would rather have freedom of movement in order to perform any move my imagination desires", and it's an especially valid complaint in the realm of multiplayer where the difficulty of the move is not of great concern, I would absolutely like to see how it would work in a mod like wushu with the feeling that it would change it for the better.
However, I like the challenge of triumphing over the game's clunky controls to do something impressive with them. And I am naturally biased towards the current system because I enjoy seeing people do the same. I comprehend that having more and better tools would allow us to have greater fights and make greater things, but I and others are enamoured with and impressed by the idea of making something great with limited tools.
As I mentioned before though, I think this seems like an interesting idea for multiplayer where both players are given the advantage of greater movement and the fight elevates to a more strategic level.
I realise you probably have little or no interest in replays in general, but just as an attempt to articulate what other people are posting in this thread, here's from a singleplayer standpoint:
It makes sense that replay makers would be averse to this because simplified movement diminishes the merit of performing a difficult move. Obviously there is no hardship or physical strain in making any move at all in a replay regardless of how specific it is, it's 100% patience and trying different things, but there is merit in the player using his experience to quickly figure out which joint states he needs in each frame in order to perform his desired movement, at least in my opinion. Anyone could make the best or most complex move if you give them infinite time, but the difference between good players and new players is that new players will spend far too long and give up before they achieve the same moves that experienced players do.
You can argue that easier movement would just take everything to a new level and a higher standard, but I have a slight concern that it would create a tighter gap in quality between entry level and the physical limits of the game (which remain the same no matter how good people are). The difficulty of movement is responsible for replays increasing in quality non stop for over 10 years now, people are still figuring out ways to make better replays in terms of execution. Meekly using myself as an example, I made a replay just a day ago and while making it I concerned myself with tweaking movement in ways I had never before, even if it's small things, I still find new things to try and improve, because it's just so stupidly hard to get everything right.
I understand the point of view that says "I would rather have freedom of movement in order to perform any move my imagination desires", and it's an especially valid complaint in the realm of multiplayer where the difficulty of the move is not of great concern, I would absolutely like to see how it would work in a mod like wushu with the feeling that it would change it for the better.
However, I like the challenge of triumphing over the game's clunky controls to do something impressive with them. And I am naturally biased towards the current system because I enjoy seeing people do the same. I comprehend that having more and better tools would allow us to have greater fights and make greater things, but I and others are enamoured with and impressed by the idea of making something great with limited tools.
As I mentioned before though, I think this seems like an interesting idea for multiplayer where both players are given the advantage of greater movement and the fight elevates to a more strategic level.
Last edited by pusga; Jan 8, 2018 at 03:19 AM.
oh yeah
