Original Post
Citing sources
Lets talk about citing sources on the discussion board. I'll start by saying, if you're going to cite a wiki article you better scroll down to their notes and check their citations. If they are using unreliable sources, obscure news blogs, biased news networks, or better yet have no citation or references. Then you should probably dig through their notes then go read the articles that apply to your argument and use them instead of the wiki page as a whole.
Second, answer websites, forums, and personal blogs based on opinions are not things to reference. I think citing any of those should be grounds to delete a post.
Third, not citing a source. Stahp. I don't care if at the end you just say its from personal experience, but you better be able to back it. I'll give you an example:
"Rieslings pair well with most pork dishes"
I drink wine.(Wrong)
I've been a wine drinker for years(Passable)
I was a waiter in a fine dining establishment, we learned about wine pairings through a three day wine seminar.(Good)
I worked as a wine connoisseur for many years at a fine dining establishment(Best)
You don't need a study or an article to prove it, just tell us what you found in your experience and what your experience is.
I understand somethings are personal opinion, if that is the case then say it."In my opinion" Is a great way to start your sentence. Some discussions will be mostly based on opinions others you will have people throwing facts out left and right. If its a discussion with a lot of room for opinions then just try to make sure no one will take what you said as a factual statement.
/discuss because I've seen yahoo answers cited and it makes me upset.
Second, answer websites, forums, and personal blogs based on opinions are not things to reference. I think citing any of those should be grounds to delete a post.
Third, not citing a source. Stahp. I don't care if at the end you just say its from personal experience, but you better be able to back it. I'll give you an example:
"Rieslings pair well with most pork dishes"
I drink wine.(Wrong)
I've been a wine drinker for years(Passable)
I was a waiter in a fine dining establishment, we learned about wine pairings through a three day wine seminar.(Good)
I worked as a wine connoisseur for many years at a fine dining establishment(Best)
You don't need a study or an article to prove it, just tell us what you found in your experience and what your experience is.
I understand somethings are personal opinion, if that is the case then say it."In my opinion" Is a great way to start your sentence. Some discussions will be mostly based on opinions others you will have people throwing facts out left and right. If its a discussion with a lot of room for opinions then just try to make sure no one will take what you said as a factual statement.
/discuss because I've seen yahoo answers cited and it makes me upset.
Originally Posted by Jakeway
Lets talk about citing sources on the discussion board. I'll start by saying, if you're going to cite a wiki article you better scroll down to their notes and check their citations. If they are using unreliable sources, obscure news blogs, biased news networks, or better yet have no citation or references. Then you should probably dig through their notes then go read the articles that apply to your argument and use them instead of the wiki page as a whole.
Second, answer websites, forums, and personal blogs based on opinions are not things to reference. I think citing any of those should be grounds to delete a post.
Third, not citing a source. Stahp. I don't care if at the end you just say its from personal experience, but you better be able to back it. I'll give you an example:
"Rieslings pair well with most pork dishes"
I drink wine.(Wrong)
I've been a wine drinker for years(Passable)
I was a waiter in a fine dining establishment, we learned about wine pairings through a three day wine seminar.(Good)
I worked as a wine connoisseur for many years at a fine dining establishment(Best)
You don't need a study or an article to prove it, just tell us what you found in your experience and what your experience is.
I understand somethings are personal opinion, if that is the case then say it."In my opinion" Is a great way to start your sentence. Some discussions will be mostly based on opinions others you will have people throwing facts out left and right. If its a discussion with a lot of room for opinions then just try to make sure no one will take what you said as a factual statement.
/discuss because I've seen yahoo answers cited and it makes me upset.
So first you're saying that specialists in a certain field are allowed to talk from personal experience (in your case, a sommelier), and then you go and say that Yahoo! answers don't count as plausible sources? How can you know that the person answering the the Yahoo! question isn't experienced on the field?
f=m*a syens
They might be experts, they might not be. At least if you say you're a fighter pilot here on a discussion about planes we can ask questions and come to our own conclusion about how much shit you're full of. I guess I was under the assumption that people wouldn't claim to be experts on a subject on the discussion board of Toribash if they didn't have the knowledge to back it up. On Yahoo answers you can just post the 2nd link on google and then cite yourself as a launch coordinator for NASA.
Originally Posted by Jakeway
I guess I was under the assumption that people wouldn't claim to be experts on a subject on the discussion board of Toribash if they didn't have the knowledge to back it up. On Yahoo answers you can just post the 2nd link on google and then cite yourself as a launch coordinator for NASA.
So you can pass off as a specialist on Yahoo! answers, but not on the ToriBash forums? It's a different internet, right? Closed.
*edit: Thread reopened on the request of another user.
Last edited by Arglax; Sep 2, 2013 at 03:30 PM.
f=m*a syens
Well I was kind of talking about like in a thread a basher came in said he had his degree in a subject relating to the topic then backed that with substantial knowledge on the matter.
Anyway this is not a debate style discussion(I'm sure people will turn it into one though). Lets go with some constructive criticism and your thoughts on proper citing on this board.
Anyway this is not a debate style discussion(I'm sure people will turn it into one though). Lets go with some constructive criticism and your thoughts on proper citing on this board.
Last edited by Jakeway; Sep 2, 2013 at 11:51 PM.
