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Upgrade tori control system | IK controls
In my opinion to upgrade tori control system developers should make something work similar to Maya 3d animation but with physics. I just want to say that it would be better to control tori by pulling parts of the body during turns. Watch this video and think about this idea
https://youtu.be/XII9aKbVXrg
Why it will upgrade toribash. You will have more precision. You will be able to have more control of your tori. Will be better to play mods. Just will be easier. You will be able to make more moves. I know it hard to make again tori control system but it will give to you more capabilities. I would like to see this system in toribash. Are you agree with my idea?
Lengthy post from snake
Example from cappuccino
https://youtu.be/XII9aKbVXrg
Why it will upgrade toribash. You will have more precision. You will be able to have more control of your tori. Will be better to play mods. Just will be easier. You will be able to make more moves. I know it hard to make again tori control system but it will give to you more capabilities. I would like to see this system in toribash. Are you agree with my idea?
Lengthy post from snake
Example from cappuccino
Last edited by sir; Jan 17, 2018 at 05:18 PM.
Reason: Uptade
If nobody in their right mind would want to learn the controls of the game, how come it's still alive after 13 years?
so far you haven't brought up any new points, so why revive this thread?
so far you haven't brought up any new points, so why revive this thread?
"Cool delfin med solglajjor" -Larfen
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Snake, I need to understand something, when you move the arm, lets say, from default tori position to 45° forward (half noobclap), and it has 50 turn frames, does it make a move to said position or translates the move in forces and keeps going next frames? Or does it make the movement in like, 20 turnframes and stays there the next 30? Or does it take the whole turn? I would like to see it taking the whole turn, so thay way one can have dynamic forces, our muscles don't work like relax/full force switches. But with the system of "you drag where you want and its gonna be there" ghost will disappear, but we can have the ghost of the frames from before, so we can read the situation, don't know.
And I insist that relax is something that should be there, because the moment you move the body to imitate that state, you lose, because isn't relaxed anymore, for example, you take a hit and its busted. And could work like joint reset too, for example, from default position, you move the whole arm up and also bending a little the elbow, then relax the elbow, and it backs to the position relative to where it was (basically straight arm), but with the shoulder still keeping the arm up, and the plus of the elbow moving wherever external or passive forces take it to.
Snake, I need to understand something, when you move the arm, lets say, from default tori position to 45° forward (half noobclap), and it has 50 turn frames, does it make a move to said position or translates the move in forces and keeps going next frames? Or does it make the movement in like, 20 turnframes and stays there the next 30? Or does it take the whole turn? I would like to see it taking the whole turn, so thay way one can have dynamic forces, our muscles don't work like relax/full force switches. But with the system of "you drag where you want and its gonna be there" ghost will disappear, but we can have the ghost of the frames from before, so we can read the situation, don't know.
And I insist that relax is something that should be there, because the moment you move the body to imitate that state, you lose, because isn't relaxed anymore, for example, you take a hit and its busted. And could work like joint reset too, for example, from default position, you move the whole arm up and also bending a little the elbow, then relax the elbow, and it backs to the position relative to where it was (basically straight arm), but with the shoulder still keeping the arm up, and the plus of the elbow moving wherever external or passive forces take it to.
Last edited by MariaVirgine; Jan 10, 2018 at 03:48 AM.
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Originally Posted by MariaVirgine
Also, snake, I need to understand something, when you move the arm, lets say, from default tori position to 45° forward (half noobclap), and it has 50 turn frames, does it make a move to said position or translates the move in forces and keeps going next frames? Or does it make the movement in like, 20 turnframes and stays there the next 30? Or does it take the whole turn? I would like to see it taking the whole turn, so thay way one can have dynamic forces, our muscles don't work like relax/full force switches. But with the system of "you drag where you want and its gonna be there" ghost will disappear, but we can have the ghost of the frames from before, so we can read the situation, don't know.
And I insist that relax is something that should be there, because the moment you move the body to imitate that state, you lose, because isn't relaxed anymore, for example, you take a hit and its busted. And could work like joint reset too, for example, from default position, you move the whole arm up and also bending a little the elbow, then relax the elbow, and it backs to the position relative to where it was (basically straight arm), but with the shoulder still keeping the arm up, and the plus of the elbow moving wherever external or passive forces take it to.
There's not need to get personal with Mack, lets keep discussion objective based and not start insulting each other.
I agree with mack to a point as well, the replay making community will suffer, and many people will simply not see the point in putting in the effort to learn the new system. There will be people who decide to learn, and I'm sure their replays will be great too.
A possible solution to this problem would be a "segregated" replay making community where those that wish to stick with older versions of the controls could do so and still have a place to share their replays and those who want to move on have the same opportunity.
Toribash's learning curve is a very hotly debated topic, and there's no cut and dry solution to it, just as there is probably no perfect control system either.
Originally Posted by MariaVirgine
Also, snake, I need to understand something, when you move the arm, lets say, from default tori position to 45° forward (half noobclap), and it has 50 turn frames, does it make a move to said position or translates the move in forces and keeps going next frames?
Or does it make the movement in like, 20 turnframes and stays there the next 30? Or does it take the whole turn? I would like to see it taking the whole turn, so thay way one can have dynamic forces, our muscles don't work like relax/full force switches.
But with the system of "you drag where you want and its gonna be there" ghost will disappear, but we can have the ghost of the frames from before, so we can read the situation, don't know.
i believe this would be an optimal and the most straightforward solution,
1) we are in default position
2) we make a move, hand forward
I. we grab the hand and we move it to desired position
II. the ghosts shows us the transition between default to desired position
3) it is a resolve time, so the body follows the ghost frames we've seen before, with the respect to the changes in the environment, for example the opponent got close to us and we end up hitting him, while the hand doesn't travel the entire path to the desired position
4) we see the current situation with the ghost projection if we don't do anything
5) we make a move, move another hand
6) we see a ghost follows us from previous position to the next one
Originally Posted by MariaVirgine
And I insist that relax is something that should be there, because the moment you move the body to imitate that state, you lose, because isn't relaxed anymore, for example, you take a hit and its busted. And could work like joint reset too, for example, from default position, you move the whole arm up and also bending a little the elbow, then relax the elbow, and it backs to the position relative to where it was (basically straight arm), but with the shoulder still keeping the arm up, and the plus of the elbow moving wherever external or passive forces take it to.
yeah i see what you mean, err i don't know about that, i mean we need to think how to incorporate that in an elegant way, so far i can come up only with selecting some body parts with the brush that switch them to enabled / disabled, or what we know as relax, so they will just flop as dead and stay like this, without taking part in ghost movement while we make our move, so basically naturaly relaxed, lol
that would be my suggestion about it
Last edited by snake; Jan 7, 2018 at 10:57 PM.
